Stewart is at it again.

[Gollum]

http://www.nascar.com/2004/news/headlines/...kers/index.html (http://www.nascar.com/2004/news/headlines/cup/06/27/tstewart_bvickers/index.html) :lol:

Tony really needs to go back to anger class.

[DE_Wrangler_2]

Looks bad for Tony.........that I agree on. However, there is always the other side.........we have not heard Tony's side (maybe we never will). I know Brian was complaining of being extremely loose toward the end and he faded pretty quickly once he started getting passed. Maybe Tony felt he held him up once he got passed by everyone in front of Tony. I don't know. But, I do know DW already laid the foundation for a big Tony bash with his comments early in the race when he got into Ward Burton. It's going to be a fun week to say the least. :(

I say let's hear more before we start saying Tony needs to get a grip..........that's the only fair thing to do.

[Gordon Fan]

Originally posted by DE_Wrangler_2@Jun 27 2004, 06:55 PM
I say let's hear more before we start saying Tony needs to get a grip..........that's the only fair thing to do.
Uh, that was what we heard after the last 5 or 6 outbursts! Stewart needs professional therapy. :o

[DeeDee]

Tony just needs to stop putting himself into situations where there can be "Tony Bashing" Confronting a driver you are ticked at right after a race is probably not a good idea for him. He wants the media to give him time to cool off, maybe he should cool off before he goes confronting other drivers.

And DW was out of line with the whole "let's blame Tony before we take a look at what really happened" deal.

[TonyB]

Regardless of the facts, this doesn't look good for Stewart.

[DE_Wrangler_2]

Originally posted by Gordon Fan@Jun 27 2004, 07:14 PM

Uh, that was what we heard after the last 5 or 6 outbursts! Stewart needs professional therapy. :o
And has Tony had a fair chance to put his side up for the public? I think not..............sure, he had his little rant a few races ago but that was just fuel to the fire in many minds. Racing, despite what you might think, is NOT a gentlemanly sport! :)

[racerx11]

It'll be interesting to hear Tonys side. But I have to agree with DEE DEE. Tony needs to quit putting himself in these situations.

[RobbyG Fan]

Tony got into at least 4 drivers in turn 11 also. Sure, other drivers had contact, but not as frequently as Stewart. And add to the fact that he had a post-race altercation with Vickers, and the rest of his history throughout this year, Im starting to think he may need to be parked for a race.

[racer8]

No big deal, just Tony being Tony.

[hurrikahne9]

Originally posted by DE_Wrangler_2+Jun 27 2004, 09:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DE_Wrangler_2 @ Jun 27 2004, 09:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Gordon Fan@Jun 27 2004, 07:14 PM

Uh, that was what we heard after the last 5 or 6 outbursts! Stewart needs professional therapy. :o
And has Tony had a fair chance to put his side up for the public? I think not..............sure, he had his little rant a few races ago but that was just fuel to the fire in many minds. Racing, despite what you might think, is NOT a gentlemanly sport! :) [/b][/quote]
I agree with you on the whole 'we need to hear Stewart's side of this', but what he did to Vickers was uncalled for. There is no reason to go after someone and hit them because of something that happened on the track. Stewart should have waited and then talked to Vickers about this whole incident.
I also agree that NASCAR should do something about Stewart's anger problems. Even though racing may or may not be gentlemanly, there is no need for physical violence. Everyone should know now that things happen and different people take it differently, and shouldn't be offended by that.
(I hope that made sense. :) )

[Eagle1]

You know I defend Tony when I believe he warrents it, and some of the things some of you are throwing up from the past I will still defend.

BUT, If Tony hit Brian, especially while still in the car he deserves the same punishment Jimmy Spencer got. He should sit out a race and be put on probation. No Ifs' Ands' or Buts' !!!

[Lap3Forever]

Well Tony did tell mydad if he got in anymore troble he would call him and get classes and help them.

[DE_Wrangler_2]

I think Brian was clear.............Tony did not hit him. It was an altercation after the race.........who knows what perpetuated it. So far we have only heard Brian's story. I remember the Jimmy Spencer, Kurt Busch thing last year very well...........and I defended Jimmy over it too. We all know, now, what perpetuated Jimmy's punch.........but we did not at the time it happened. Just wait and see before you start in on Tony. He's an easy target..........and cheap shots can easily go unchallenged in things like this.

[DeeDee]

Originally posted by DE_Wrangler_2@Jun 27 2004, 11:16 PM
Just wait and see before you start in on Tony. He's an easy target..........
You are right we don't know the whole story and we probably never will. But the reason Tony is an easy target is because he puts himself in situations like this.

[slick-nick]

I read that when Tony confronted Brian over what happened, Brian laughed at Tony.. which pissed him off and made him do the things he did. Hopefully Brian learned a valuable lesson today...

Don't laugh in the face of a pissed off driver after a race.

[DE_Wrangler_2]

Originally posted by slick-nick@Jun 27 2004, 09:25 PM
I read that when Tony confronted Brian over what happened, Brian laughed at Tony.. which pissed him off and made him do the things he did. Hopefully Brian learned a valuable lesson today...

Don't laugh in the face of a pissed off driver after a race.
Sort of what Kurt did to Jimmy? Something happened on the track.....something we do not know about. And only knowing one side of a story (a biased side to be sure, too) we are ready to send Tony to the bench? If Tony has no reasonable explanation for confronting Brian, then I will say he's a bully. Somehow I find that hard to believe.........even of Tony. Brian's a poster boy for "young guns". But, I've been following this sport for way too long to ever think that any driver gets successful in this sport being a lilly white angel. Brian can be and has shown he can be agressive on the track. We just don't know what happened.

[racefan against nascare]

why should tony stop putting himself in "these situations?" it gives some people a reason to hate him and others a reason to like him more...it sure beats nobody paying attention.

saying tony shouldn't put himself in these situations is kinda like saying Earnhardt shouldn't have used his front bumper so often just because so many people complained about it. sure, it upsets some people, but they just wouldn't be who they are if they didn't do what they thought needed to be done.

in this case, a veteran apparently wanted to have a word with a rookie and got upset when the rookie laughed at him...name one veteran throughout history that wouldn't have had a problem with being laughed at by a rookie.

[Gordon Fan]

Who is Nascare? :blink:

[Patrick9999]

ANYONE who would attack someone while they where strapped into a car is nothing more than a $%$#$% coward.


Edited for an unneccessary comment.

[EatMorePossum]

Originally posted by DE_Wrangler_2+Jun 27 2004, 10:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DE_Wrangler_2 @ Jun 27 2004, 10:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Gordon Fan@Jun 27 2004, 07:14 PM

Uh, that was what we heard after the last 5 or 6 outbursts! Stewart needs professional therapy. :o
And has Tony had a fair chance to put his side up for the public? I think not.............. [/b][/quote]
Last I checked, he has 24 hours in his day just like everyone else. He's had all kinds of time to make any statement he wants made. He obviously doesn't want to make one. That's his right. If he chooses to behave like a punk more often than not and then smugly sit back and do or say nothing about it, he has to expect the fans, the media, and eventually his sponsor to react as they wish, which is their right.

Here's to his following his dream and going back to open wheel racing where I can once again forget he exists, which is my right.

[DeeDee]

Originally posted by Patrick9999@Jun 28 2004, 06:56 AM
ANYONE who would attack someone while they where strapped into a car is nothing (stupid comment) Someone (even stupier comment)
Now see why do you have to go and start calling names and acting like an A$$, makes you no better than TOny right?

[Mopardh9]

I wish i could find the post i made about a year ago, it was a thread that was about Tonys' sucess in Cup and how many championships he would win. I remember saying he would burn out in the next few years and get out of Cup. Sadly i think that prediction is starting to look pretty good. I really think he should step back for a few days and review his actions of the past 3-4 months. His on track agressive driving, the outburst yesterday, and his past history with anger problems are not boding well for the guy. I truly like him, always did, but i honestly feel he has a very big problem. Like DeeDee said he needs to not put himself in a situation where there is likely going to be a confrontation. Whether that be on the track or off. I think the pressure is geting to him in a way that he can not control. Seems to me also that the other competition on the track is also feeling this pressure. When you think about all that is involved with Cup racing....sponsors, performance, media appearances, and getting along with your fellow competitors...it really is a lot to carry on your shoulders. Some drivers do it much better than others, but in Stewarts' case he is failing right now. I hope he gets his act together for himself and for the sake of Nascar.

[66mustang]

With all the problems he has had this year, it makes me wonder if he really does want to leave NASCAR. It may sound stupid or sound like I'm trying to start something but I'm just wondering. What kind of contract does he have? Maybe the only way out is to sit out races and eventually get kicked out of the sport....I'm mean we all know where his heart really is.

[66mustang]

No IRL Team for Stewart? Indy 500 in....2010? Tony Stewart is back to saying he has no intention of competing in the 2005 Indianapolis 500 or starting an Indy Racing League team. After showing up on bump day at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway last month and toying with the idea of attempting to qualify an A.J. Foyt Racing car, Stewart said he would come back next year and do it for real. But asked about it before his 15th-place finish Sunday in the Dodge/Save Mart 350 at Infineon Raceway, Stewart said he got carried away by "Indy fever."
"I would love to do it for the fans, but I just can't," the Columbus, Ind., native said. "It's too much of a hassle. There's nothing in my contract (with Joe Gibbs Racing) that says I can't do it, but there's no way I can and be fair to these guys here." Stewart said the next possibility is 2010, when the new contract he signed last year with Gibbs will have expired. He'll be 39 then. He also backed off his comments of a few weeks ago, when he said he has considered buying an IRL team or starting one. "I'm not working on it and haven't done anything about it," he said. "I've got three full-time (U.S. Auto Club) teams and one World of Outlaws team. That's plenty to keep me busy

[barelypure]

This is similar to 2001 with Tony. Joe is not there to babysit Tony. He's off playing football. Coy is unable to hold Tony's hand every waking moment. As such Tony does such things and as a result he has bad finishes. With the new age of NASCAR they should sit Tony out a race. Something has to get his attention...

[slick-nick]

I love Tony.. he's a great racer and he's good for the sport, but I don't expect him to be there after 2006. And with the way everyone acts towards him, I wouldn't blame him one bit if he did leave.

One little outburst and everyone thinks he should be parked, yadda yadda. It gets old... lets stop beating a dead horse. Tony Stewart is Tony Stewart.. he shows emotion.. unlike some others.


"He got me in the chest, kinda knocked the wind out of me, then tried to pull me out of the car," Vickers said. "That's why my guys grabbed him. Here's the deal: It was not a fist and he did not hit me in the face.

Now if you get the wind knocked out of you when someone grabs your chest.... you really might want to check out a gym sometime.

[dupont4me]

This was such a surprise to hear about this morning...but I wonder if Brian's laugh was a nervous laugh because he couldn't reason with Tony....but we don't know the whole story....so I'll hold back on judgment.....the more I think about it the more I'm starting to believe what I've read all over the boards...Tony will leave Nascar within the near future for what he really loves....open-wheel racing.

[Mrs.Nascar20]

Originally posted by barelypure@Jun 28 2004, 10:22 AM
With the new age of NASCAR they should sit Tony out a race. Something has to get his attention...
Being a big Tony Stewart fan I have to agree with you. I'm not sure what's going thr. his head (if anything :D ) but maybe if he gets parked for a race he might think twice. There has to be more going on with Tony then Joe Gibbs not be there and him not winning yet this year!

[24thunder]

Originally posted by RobbyG Fan@Jun 27 2004, 11:05 PM
Tony got into at least 4 drivers in turn 11 also. Sure, other drivers had contact, but not as frequently as Stewart. And add to the fact that he had a post-race altercation with Vickers, and the rest of his history throughout this year, Im starting to think he may need to be parked for a race.
agreed. Personally I'd like to also see some points deducted from His team as well.

[nascarwoman]

Originally posted by 24thunder+Jun 28 2004, 02:17 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (24thunder @ Jun 28 2004, 02:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--RobbyG Fan@Jun 27 2004, 11:05 PM
Tony got into at least 4 drivers in turn 11 also.&nbsp; Sure, other drivers had contact, but not as frequently as Stewart.&nbsp; And add to the fact that he had a post-race altercation with Vickers, and the rest of his history throughout this year, Im starting to think he may need to be parked for a race.
agreed. Personally I'd like to also see some points deducted from His team as well. [/b][/quote]
Why would you deduct points from the team? They didn't do anything.

[redrock]

What Slick-Nick said...I think Vickers is coming off like a wuss, I say let Tony be Tony and it may help with the TV rating slide.

[Mrs.Nascar20]

I have to agree, it's not the teams fault that Tony is acting the way he is. Zippie probably can't even get though to him.

[Gollum]

Nascar didn't let Spencer be Spencer. It don't matter to me it it was a punch, slap or grab. Tony shouldn't have done it. If that had been Jr, Kurt or Kevin people would be nailing them to a cross. Maybe if Tony did have to sit out a race. It would quite him down. But It looks like we will just have to waite and see what happens. :cheers:

[dalejrfan_8_06]

yea i mean he was wrecking people left and right. i think he definitely needs to settle down.

[esorlxaw]

I think the reason Vickers was laughing was because (and this is from his interview) he thought Tony was kidding. As he said, he's never had someone be mad at him after they've wrecked him. Of course, in Brian's defense, he had probably convinced himself that he had done nothing wrong...which is what I would also say in tony's defense...that is, up until the point at which he confronted Vickers while he was still strapped into his seat. That one act alone, confronting someone in the driver's seat shows a strong sense of not being able to control one's anger which is what anger management is supposed to help, I have no problem with the majority of "on track" altercations (the kenseth/harvick; and kenseth/mcmurray deals excluded) but when a guy can't even let someone get out of a car before gets a little nuts on him it shows me that there IS a problem. Perhaps this is why Vickers felt Stewart was kidding, because the situation of it all was pretty absurd. I'm interested to see what Tony has to say, of course, NOT saying anything makes him look worse than defending himself, but he probably has the feeling "the nascar community has already made up their mind on the whole fiasco, it doesn't matter what I have to say".

[DE_Wrangler_2]

Originally posted by esorlxaw@Jun 28 2004, 03:28 PM
I'm interested to see what Tony has to say, of course, NOT saying anything makes him look worse than defending himself, but he probably has the feeling "the nascar community has already made up their mind on the whole fiasco, it doesn't matter what I have to say".
And from the majority of the posts I've read here the last couple days, I would said Tony is correct in his assessment. There is a fair percentage of fans in this sport that seem to have to have someone to hate.........Tony's it. Tony's hot headed........everyone knows that. But, being hot headed does not make him out of control. I'm beginning to think all that "anger management" stuff he went through was the beginning of the end for him............now, every time something happens everyone is screaming he needs to go back to therapy. I personally don't think this "fiasco" is nearly the fiasco everyone is making it out to be. It's something that has happened in NASCAR since it's inception over 50 years ago.......it was just part of the game. Now it's a near felony........that, in mind, is ridiculous.

[esorlxaw]

actually, that wasn't a quote, but I'm sure that's what he's thinking, you know?

[DE_Wrangler_2]

I'm sure that is exactly what he is thinking...........he more or less said it in his two interview rants a few weeks ago. And, I can't say I blame him either.

[esorlxaw]

agreed

[turtle3539]

Ok lessee... Tony wrecks Brian, then after the race Tony gets in Brian's face and hits him thru the window?? Yeah that makes a lotta sense. Some people have said wait until we hear Tony's side of the story...Well, where is it?? It's Tuesday and we still haven't heard anything. Tony has had as much time to tell his side as Brian had. This incident isn't exactly like the Spencer/Busch fued. When did Brian wreck Tony? When did he shake his ass at him during the race? Huh Tony? Sure would be nice if Tony said something. It's his own fault if he thinks no one will believe him. If Brian had actually did something worth getting hit for, I'm sure we would know it by now. And whats with the calling Brian a wuss? Why don't you try racing for 3 hours in the heat, then get hit in the chest, see how easy it is to get the wind knocked out of you. Tony isn't exactly Pee Wee Herman either, he's a big guy, and Brians not. Brian admitted he laughed when Tony was talking to him, but if somebody started yelling at me because they wrecked me, I wouldn't have any idea what my reaction would be. Brian obviously doesn't want to make a big deal about this because he could've claimed Stewart punched him, and he already wants to put this behind him, so why hasn't Tony said anything? This whole thing isn't making any sense at all.

[Lap3Forever]

Steph makes the most sence on this thing.....cause if Tony was going to talk he would have already talked (just like sadam) and about the wus thing, heck Jeff Gordon was tired so you know brian would have been since this was his 1st rc start.

i can here it now "Comming to PIR in 2005, see Tony Stewart 2002 nascar winston champ battle the areas biggest drivers in the UMP Summernationals"

[turtle3539]

Oh look, just what I thought happened.... :rolleyes: :lol:

http://motorsportsnews.net/mc20040629.html

[SUPER-G-24-K]

Originally posted by slick-nick@Jun 28 2004, 10:10 AM
I love Tony.. he's a great racer and he's good for the sport, but I don't expect him to be there after 2006. And with the way everyone acts towards him, I wouldn't blame him one bit if he did leave.

One little outburst and everyone thinks he should be parked, yadda yadda. It gets old... lets stop beating a dead horse. Tony Stewart is Tony Stewart.. he shows emotion.. unlike some others.


"He got me in the chest, kinda knocked the wind out of me, then tried to pull me out of the car," Vickers said. "That's why my guys grabbed him. Here's the deal: It was not a fist and he did not hit me in the face.

Now if you get the wind knocked out of you when someone grabs your chest.... you really might want to check out a gym sometime.
One little outburst, Where have you been all season? It sounds like no matter what Tony does it is allright in your book. A die hard Tony fan, that's cool I can live with that, but one little outburst come on. :salute:

[barelypure]

Actually Super-G, slick has Kevin as his avatar so maybe we can understand why he doesn't think Tony did anything wrong. :lol:

As others have said it is a cheap ass move not to wait until Vickers is out of the car to at least be able to defend himself. Of course, if he had then NASCAR would have meted out punishment on him also. Until or unless Tony comes up with a good explanation of his actions one will be left thinking the worse of him. :wacko:

And, if he leaves now or in 2006 or whenever, guess what I think NASCAR and the fans can survive his absence... ^_^

[Whizzer]

Tony has offered no explanation for his inappropriate action.

After reading posted replies to Tony Stewart's latest incident, the question comes to mind, what explanation could Tony possibly offer to justify attacking another driver sitting in his car??

Posts stating Tony is Tony, Vickers is a wuss and let's wait for Tony's response are deflections of the reality of a serious action by Stewart.
Tony Stewart, Jimmy Spencer, Michael Waltrip or any other driver in a similar situation NEVER has a good enough reason to attack someone sitting in a car. If there is anyone deserving of being called a wuss, it is the person who attacks the guy at the disadvantage.

And yes, auto racing at this level is a contact sport but times have changed from the old days. The days of backyard brawls are pretty much gone and that is a good thing. The ones that still take place deserve firm and costly punishment. This is no longer a bush league sport.

If Tony thinks people have a pre-set mentality of his deportment, he alone gives them good reason. Tony keeps adding fuel to the fire. There are irrefutable facts to back up his hot-headed and irrational behavior that were reported fairly by the press at the beginning. Granted things got blown out of proportion later, but his self-inflicted bad-boy reputation is deserved and the blame lays at his doorstep for continued questionable actions.

There is a great deal of pressure in the NEXTEL NASCAR Series and some drivers handle it better than others. Some fans like drivers with emotion but the drivers who are winning are the ones who get the job done while keeping their emotions in check.

[EatMorePossum]

I too find it humorous to see all these people who applauded Spencer for sucker punching a man half his size at best strapped in a race car now vilifying Tony for doing essentially the same thing.

I thought I was biased. Maybe I'm not alone. Or do people just hate Kurt Busch that bad? And if so, for what? He does a pretty accurate Dale Earnhardt impersonation in my book. But it was OK for Dale to spin everyone in sight.

Some folks need to develop some consistency about these things. But I'm probably wrong as a dozen people will no doubt be eager to point out. :idunno:

[TonyB]

Originally posted by EatMorePossum@Jun 29 2004, 11:01 AM
But I'm probably wrong as a dozen people will no doubt be eager to point out.
Your wrong. It will be at least 2 dozen! :o

[Splunge]

I think Tony is outta control.

Too many 'events' this year with one common denominator: Tony was involved.

I think it's acceptable to think that a driver might lose some self control occasionally, but Tony has taken too many 'occasions' in my opinion, and too many of them have included physical altercations.

It's one thing to confront somebody verbally, and look like you're in a scuffle and a totally different thing to actually start fighting.

I simply think Tony has become a danger to those around him...one day he's gonna really hurt someone....

Maybe they could put him in one of those lion cages before and after the race!

"Look daddy, it's Tony!"

"Don't get too close to the cage son, he might bite..."

:cheers:

[barelypure]

Or do people just hate Kurt Busch that bad?

Yes, people hate Kurt that bad. And, no he is not impersonating Dale. Dale took his lumps. He didn't just take to the track as the Intimidator. He was put into the wall plenty in the early years. And, yes Spencer got what he had coming for his cheap ass punch as well. And, I like Spencer...

[Mopardh9]

The difference between Dale sr. and Kurt Busch IMO is the fact that Earnhardt had the respect of most of his fellow drivers. Not saying it was right what he did sometimes, but Sr. was the man back then, Busch is just a punk needing to grow up . He sure hasn't garnered the repect of many in the Cup garrage. Getting back to Stewart.... i think he lost quite a bit of respect from his fellow peers in Cup. Maybe he just puts too much pressure on himself to win, but in any case he needs to tone it down and focus more on driving the right way and not being a detriment to others on the track.

[Lap3Forever]

Originally posted by turtle3539@Jun 29 2004, 02:46 AM
Oh look, just what I thought happened.... :rolleyes: :lol:

http://motorsportsnews.net/mc20040629.html
Works for me!! :lol: :XXROFL:

Im sure you was up to 3am just lookin' to find Tonys side was't(sp) you? :lol:

[racefan against nascare]

you know what i was just thinking of? a certain song by buck owens...

"how many of those that sit and judge me/have walked the streets of bakersfield..."

funny how there were so few people at the scene, and so many that know exactly what happened.

[24thunder]

Originally posted by nascarwoman+Jun 28 2004, 04:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (nascarwoman @ Jun 28 2004, 04:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -24thunder@Jun 28 2004, 02:17 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--RobbyG Fan@Jun 27 2004, 11:05 PM
Tony got into at least 4 drivers in turn 11 also.* Sure, other drivers had contact, but not as frequently as Stewart.* And add to the fact that he had a post-race altercation with Vickers, and the rest of his history throughout this year, Im starting to think he may need to be parked for a race.
agreed. Personally I'd like to also see some points deducted from His team as well.
Why would you deduct points from the team? They didn't do anything. [/b][/quote]
Usually point reduction penalties are assessed in both driver and owner points.I'd rather just see T.Stewart have driver points deducted,but itb would also include owner points most likely. ;)

[TeamHendrick]

$50,000 fine, loses 25 driver and 25 owner points.

:blink: WEAK!!! :wacko:

I'm wondering how much Home Depot's NASCAR sponsorship came into play.

[RobbyG Fan]

Originally posted by TeamHendrick@Jun 30 2004, 02:45 PM

I'm wondering how much Home Depot's NASCAR sponsorship came into play.
Interesting that you mention that:

Marty Smith: Boys, you've got to remember something here: POLITICS. I know it's total conspiracy theory, but I don't care. Stewart is 307 points behind leader Jimmie Johnson, and sitting him would likely jeopardize his chances at making The Chase. Remember, Home Depot is an official NASCAR sponsor

[Bucky Badger]

He's a loose cannon, has not won a race this year and is pissed and will take it out on anyone for any reason. Oh did I say he is a loose cannon! :EEEEK: Old smoke is going up in smoke pretty soon. He's gonna start losing friends pretty soon.

[Patrick9999]

Originally posted by racefan against nascare@Jun 30 2004, 04:59 AM
you know what i was just thinking of? a certain song by buck owens...

"how many of those that sit and judge me/have walked the streets of bakersfield..."

funny how there were so few people at the scene, and so many that know exactly what happened.
...is there any event or anyone in this world that you judge without having undeniable proof that they are guilty?

No offense, just wondering. :cheers:

[24thunder]

Originally posted by Bucky Badger@Jun 30 2004, 10:26 PM
He's a loose cannon, has not won a race this year and is pissed and will take it out on anyone for any reason. Oh did I say he is a loose cannon! :EEEEK: Old smoke is going up in smoke pretty soon. He's gonna start losing friends pretty soon.
agreed.