Michael Waltrip WON!!!!!!!!!

[rpmallen]

I'm sure someone has posted this already, but that's okay. I just want to say I am REALLY excited that Michael won tonight. It's been a long time coming, and at least this time he can enjoy his victory.

Michael did everything he needed to do tonight to win this race, and his crew helped him win. Unlike at Talladega where Michael ended up behind Jr. b/c of Michael's pit crew, this time his crew got Michael out first. Good job for them, and this team that has really begun turning things around.

This moves Michael into 12th in the point standings, which goes to show he hasn't been only running well on the restrictor plate races, but he's the big threat at them.

I wish Jr. wouldn't get so hard on himself. He did what he needed to do. Had he never tried to pass Michael, he would have never known if he could or not. Dale Jr. did what he needed to do and should be proud of his team's effort this weekend.

But anyway...

GO MICHAEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

[paul]

Dale did what any real racer would do, and that was go for the win not protect the guy in front of you.

I can't say the same for Waltrip.

[rajflyboy]

Mikey didnt do squat! He just held the car on the yellow line. There is no passing in Plate racing!!! Mikey can't win a hard race !!!!

[Awesome_Bill]

Thats right FLYBOY...Mikey only has 2 wins. He got them only by his #4 special at BK. It came with some extra HP.

[Rustyfan500]

Sorry..but Mikey stayed up there front because Dale Jr didn't make a move. If there was red flag thrown, I bet the turn out would have been alot different. There were other just as strong cars up front too.

[Maire24]

Sooooo????????? DEI spends a lot of time and $$$$$ on their plate program. So, it pays off for them at plate tracks. That's a 'given'. We will see what the future holds in store for the DEI boys on regular tracks. Won't we???
What have we got, 4 plate races?????

[PettyBenson]

whatever!! Mikey is turning the year around and i think he will win a non plate race soon, Mikey and DEI have the best cars at daytona now like the woods, Pettys,Childrress, and Morgan mcCulr had.

I am happy Mikey won the race

[rajflyboy]

Rusty would have won if nascar would have thrown the red flag! No doubt about it!

I don't get it! Nascar always throws the red flag in situations like this!! Its obvious that their Pud Boy was going to win so they couldn't throw the flag!!!!!!!

[Awesome_Bill]

Jr. hasnt even won this year on a non plate track! let alone mikey or steve.

[Annie-8fan]

I'm really happy for Michael~but i don't think rusty would have had anything for him at the end anyway.

[paul]

Seriously? I saw him charging pretty hard.

[Lap3Forever]

i am glad miky won. happy to see a KY boy in the winners cricle.

[PettyBenson]

well NASCAr could not have tossed the red bc they go tthe yellow with 3 laps to go wouild have stopped in turn 3 or 4 with 3 to go when they started back up they would have gotten 2 to gocould not have gotten the one lap till racing bc they have to have pit stops, so they would have gotten the one to go on the white flag and the green wouldhave been the checkard flag so it was impossiblr for them to toss the red.

[paul]

Lol, I tried to read that response PB...but I think you only got one period in there....OH...and there's a comma! ;)

Excited are we? :)

[Awesome_Bill]

O i just cant resist to say it again...What a great race.

[kat2220]

actually, pb said the right thing, just not very well. They actually did explain on Fox why Nascar wouldn't throw the red flag. Not enough laps to even bother, better to let it end under yellow. Sort of like RAIN in the last 3 laps.

[rpmallen]

My little 56k modem is putting to try and keep up with these posts! lol.

Whether Rusty was making a charge or not, Rusty isn't in Victory Lane. And it wasn't like Michael didn't have a strong car. How many laps did Rusty lead? How many did Michael lead? I think the best car won here.

And it is amazing what some people will try and say to take down drivers when they win. There's always something wrong. Yeah, Michael has only won at superspeedways, but at least he has been able to take advantage of DEI superspeedway program. And as I said, with moving into 12th in the points, it is going to show that the are running well at the other tracks to.

The remarks that fans try to make to belittle drivers are amusing.

[Awesome_Bill]

Yeah The race had to be finished under yellow just a waste of time to try to clean it all up.

[LooneyToonRacer]

Glad to see Mikey get a win without anything bad happening during the race, he needed this win, Good job Mikey

[paul]

Originally posted by rpmallen


The remarks that fans try to make to belittle drivers are amusing.

People do it to every driver. It's not only DEI that get's flak when they win.

[Walrus_3]

Hooray for Mikey and hooray for DEI. They are turning their program around a piece at a time, it takes a lot of work and many things to come together in a fantasticly intricate puzzle. I think they do have a trump card left to them from their previous leader, whether it's a note book or was just passed in spoken word I don't know, but senior knew something about restrictor plate racing. And now imagine DEI is proving superior at these same venues. I sure he had a tweak somewhere that he passed on, and as long as these races are run with the plate package there's an advantage to DEI. IMO as time goes by they will become stonger at the tracks they struggle with now. Nobody has a dominance that lasts forever, just for their time. As far as any conspiracies, that's a bunch of bull dropping. Way to many people and factors to control, I just couldn't believe it.

[rajflyboy]

race aint over until Mikey's car is inspected. Maybe Rusty will win it when they find whatever it is that DEI is using to cheat with !!!

[rpmallen]

Of course not, Paul. It's just the way it always is.

But I don't care b/c Michael won. People can whine all they want, but they can't take his win away.

[Annie-8fan]

Originally posted by paul
Seriously?  I saw him charging pretty hard.



He might have been able to get there but could he pass? i really don't think so ~it would have interesting to see what line marlin would have taken.

[paul]

He passed Jr.

[stridsberry]

You're right Paul, he did pass Jr....because he was in a line of 5 cars drafting, and Jr. was all alone on the outside. Rusty would have definitely needed drafting help in order to get past Michael. Good job Mikey, BTW.

[paul]

Originally posted by stridsberry
You're right Paul, he did pass Jr....because he was in a line of 5 cars drafting, and Jr. was all alone on the outside.  Rusty would have definitely needed drafting help in order to get past Michael.  Good job Mikey, BTW.

Uhhh...

so with that drafting help that he had to get past Jr, he would have gotten past Waltrip.

That doesn't make sense?

[rpmallen]

stridsberry is right. The reason why Jr. got passed is b/c he went outside and nobody went out there and helped him draft. Michael was doing what he needed to do, hugging that yellow line, if Rusty and gone high to pass, the train would have probably stayed low and Rusty would have gone back. It sucks that's what plate racing has been reduced to, but that's the way it is. And there's no what-if there wasn't a caution b/c there was. That's not Michael's fault, that's not Rusty's fault. The driving of many of those drivers didn't seem to be as patient and professional as they normally are, and the wrecks were bound to happen.

[paul]

Are you seriously blaming the drivers for these wrecks?

You're not on NASCAR's payroll are you?

[stridsberry]

It does make sense, but Rusty was directly on Waltrip's bumper when the pass was made. Therefore, he had no real way of getting a run on him, since they were nose to tail, and going about the same speed. He would have needed time to back off and set up a move on him, and even then, Michael would have known it was coming, and been able to throw a block. I still don't think Rusty could have passed Michael.

[Awesome_Bill]

I hate to say it but DEI does have the dominating cars at the plate races...with the supersize or not.

[PettyBenson]

Ok let me try this again yes i was typing just a LITTLE bit fast, just a little but I am calm now.

:D
well NASCAR could not have tossed the red because they got the yellow with 3 laps to go If the cars would have stopped in turn 3 or 4 with 3 to go and when they started back up they would have gotten 2 to go. They could not have gotten the one lap till racing because they have to have pit stops, so they would have gotten the one to go on the white flag and the green would have been the same time as the checkard flag so it was impossible for them to toss the red.

Now does that make better since????
Boy what a few Nouns periods and commas will do to a paragraph:lol2:

[paul]

Sure does. And you're right. :)

[rpmallen]

Nascar is definitely not devoid of any blame for these wrecks. They set up the rule packages so they wouldn't get those big packs of cars and have the "big one" every time they went to these plate races. But the way they've changed the rules they still have big packs... and big wrecks but this time more... and it's hard to pass. Yeah, Nascar did a great job on that one.

[rajflyboy]

hmmm Didn't Jr get busted cheating last year???????

Or doesn't that count when its Jr ?????????

[rpmallen]

rajflyboy

Jr. didn't get busted for cheating. The car was too low. Nascar has tells teams that their car has to be a minimum height at the end of the race. However, teams know that the cars can have some give in them, especially when they are racing on some tracks that can really be tough on cars, like Daytona. Jr's car was high enough to reach the minimum height when he went out on the track, otherwise Nascar wouldn't have let them out. But the team was probably less conservative with their set-up, and by the end of the race the car lowered a bit. When you are competing for the win, the risk of the car dropping an eight of an inch or two might not be a bad one to take. But Nascar would like to prevent this from happening, and has made use of stiffer fines and might eventually go after points. Did Jr. cheat? No. Was Jr. the only car that was probably too low at the end of the race? I'm sure not. Should Nascar do more than to fine team's when they fail post-race inspection? Probably.

[fergy1370]

I wonder how quiet this place would be if Stewy won?

[judas1]

hurray Michael!!!!

[rajflyboy]

hmmm

Nascar found Jr's car to be illegal in Post race inspections!

That is what you call "Cheating"

Whether it was done on purpose or not: They still broke the rules! So its not like DEI has won all these things cleanly!

[Stargazing922]

So, I have a question... When Junior's car is too low it's not cheating, it's just adjustments. BUT, when Martin was too low at Charlotte it was cheating? Can someone explain to me why the double standard?

[paul]

It is a double standard. And no one is allowed to say that DEI cheats.

They all cheat, but no one is allowed to say that DEI do it.

[rajflyboy]

yeppers

[Stargazing922]

DEI= Does Everything Illegally. Oops did I say that out loud LOL

[paul]

Originally posted by fergy1370
I wonder how quiet this place would be if Stewy won?

Fergy, that's kind of a trollish thing to say.

But if Waltrip hadn't won, I wonder how many of these "fans" would still be saying how great and awesome of a race it was. If Jr's car ended up bursting into flames in the grass, would it still be a "great, classic race" or "the best race in NASCAR history"?

I think not.

The "fans" calling this a "great" race are the exact same type of people that threw trash into the track because they wanted more blood.saying how great and awesome of a race it was.

[paul]

Originally posted by luvno20
And flyboy, DEI does not cheat, they have info from the best restrictor plate racer ever, Dale Earnhardt.

LOL...come on! You're not serious are you? You really believe they don't cheat? :xxrotf:

[rpmallen]

First of all, there is no double standard. Martin, Kenseth, Jr. and several other drivers have failed post-race inspection when their cars were found to be under the minimum height. How many cars do you think were in that field that were also too low at the end of the race? Why does Nascar only check the leader? They should check the whole field.

Failing post-race inspection doesn't mean you cheated. But if your car does settle below the minimum height, drivers can expect a hefty fine, and hopefully soon more than that. Obviously losing 25,000, 50,000 isn't enough of a fine, Nascar needs to go for points so that teams will make sure their cars don't settle below the minimum height at the end of the race.

Do I think DEI cheats? Maybe, but I don't doubt everybody else does too. At restrictor plate races, though, the only real cheating is team work, b/c you never see two teammates stay together like Waltrip and Jr., and you wonder why nobody can pass them at the front.

[paul]

No one can pass them at plate races, true.

Most other tracks they get passed constantly.

[paul]

Like I said, all teams cheat. But when people constantly here that DEI don't cheat, people are prompted to exaggerate and say that they have cheater plates.

Saying that they don't cheat, and saying that they get help from NASCAR to fix races are both equally ignorant things to say.

Both sides are guilty of being ignorant at times.

[rajflyboy]

Last night only proves that Jr had some type of advantage in last years Pepsi 400 (probably a slightly bigger plate from nascar)

Jr was just average last night, last year he did things that can't be done with the current restrictor plate rules. Look at the 24 (one of the fastest cars last night, when he got out of line.....he went straight to the back) Last Year Jr could get out of line and still run to the front !!!

Too Fishy to be real !!!!

2001 Pepsi 400 "Greatest Fix in Nascar History"

[m&m\'s 36]

i'm glad mikey won. he's ok

[rpmallen]

rajflyboy, ever notice you are talking to yourself?

[Awesome_Bill]

Originally posted by rajflyboy
Last night only proves that Jr had some type of advantage in last years Pepsi 400 (probably a slightly bigger plate from nascar)

Jr was just average last night, last year he did things that can't be done with the current restrictor plate rules.  Look at the 24 (one of the fastest cars last night,  when he got out of line.....he went straight to the back)  Last Year Jr could get out of line and still run to the front !!!

Too Fishy to be real !!!!  

2001 Pepsi 400 "Greatest Fix in Nascar History"

2002 Pepsi 400 "2nd Greatest Fix in Nascar History"

[fergy1370]

Originally posted by paul


Fergy, that's kind of a trollish thing to say.

But if Waltrip hadn't won, I wonder how many of these "fans" would still be saying how great and awesome of a race it was.  If Jr's car ended up bursting into flames in the grass, would it still be a "great, classic race" or "the best race in NASCAR history"?

I think not.

The "fans" calling this a "great" race are the exact same type of people that threw trash into the track because they wanted more blood.saying how great and awesome of a race it was.


I don't see how its trollish.........


I don't think it was a good race. I haven't seen a good Daytona in years. After the 2000 Daytona 500, I almost made up my mind not to go to anymore.

My point is, I can't get over how many people hate to see DEI or Jr do anything. We had a post earlier dealing with Jr's popularity. He is the big money maker right now in NA$CAR. You don't have to like it, but that's the way it is. And I really don't think that other drivers could keep their mouths shut if they really thought that that certain teams were cheating. Its been stated before, Dale Earnhardt teamed up with Andy Petree and Richard Childress (RAD) to work on an aero package. They must have figured something out because they have won most of the restrictor plate races. And then again, and some of you will hate to hear this, but maybe its the DRIVERS. Its apparent that some drivers do better on some tracks than others. If there was this big conspiracy, Jr and Waltrip would be winning on other tracks and would be in the top 5 in the point standings. Its like when Martin won all the road courses back in the late 90's and Rusty was the "short track king". When Harry Gant won four races in a row, did anyone cry conspiracy then? When Gordon won in Richmond several years ago when it was a No Bull race and Dale Earnhardt, who was in the running for the Winston Million, came in second, did anyone do anything? Gordon had an unapproved manifold on his car. He won the race and Dale lost $1,000,000.

Do I think that teams bend, break, demolish the rules? Hell, yeah I do. Do I agree with it? Nope, not at all. Regardless who it is. But I do believe that a car will settle or lose some of the "spring" in it during a 400-500 mile race. If NASCAR posted all the cars that were not the same height as they were when the race started, half of the field would be listed.


Bottom line, people will always think that someone is cheating.

Until their favorite driver starts winning.....

[paul]

And when their favorite driver is cheating, people will always deny it.